So until I do, Legend Rhony has been kind enough to give me permission to use his diagrams.Legend Rhony’s Gathering BuildLegend Rhony’s Support BuildSContrary to this build, I think there would be more value in completing the support tree before branching off into the integration tree. Was supposed to contain “legendary commander”+”Role”+”Talent trees”+”star items needed”+”sculptures needed”+”What actual ‘roles the commander is best used for” and maybe one or two more things but you get the jist of what I’m trying to say anyways. This build basically takes all the resource gathering talents in the Gathering Tree and then picks up all the extra march speed talents in the Support Tree and the Integration Tree that you can get afterward.. Yeah sorry about the conflicting information. Just try to steer clear of the advice to pair her with your main commander if you are planning on dealing out damage or tanking efficiently. But when you can only maintain a few commanders, all you have to go off are how they interact with other armies of various strength, along with watching other people’s armies in the same way. Keep Joan of Arc at 1 ⭐ until you max out her first skill. Previously it didn’t matter which commander was in the primary position as far as talents were concerned. She has the best rage regeneration skill in the game, and paired with a support tree, she pops off actives like it’s nobody’s business. And finally, her infantry health and cavalry defence buffs give her more staying power. Just try to steer clear of the advice to pair her with your main commander if you are planning on dealing out damage or tanking efficiently. Here, they are placed on a 0 to 10 scale.In this scale, 0 is 0, and 10 is the highest ranking commander’s contribution score in a given tier list. There’s a reason Joan is the best support. In which case you might’ve been better off bringing a different support.Semi-Support I pretty much put any non-support pairing of Joan in this category. The commanders who run well as support (in no particular order) are: Richard, Hannibal, El Cid, Cao Cao, Belisarius, Hermann, Eulji, Pelagius, Boudica and Cleopatra.Ideally, you want Joan for her support tree as the primary commander.Semi-SupportA semi support is a cross between a fighting pair and a supporting pair. For this reason alone, she is worth investing in.A common misconception is that she should only be used with the gathering talent tree. Scipio + Joan is no longer a combo worth pursuing.GathererJoan is one of the best gatherers. This is done through either the commander pairing or the talent tree chosen. So sprinkle my words with that same scepticism (but maybe I get some extra points for reliability if you’re feeling generous).I hope you have gotten some value out of this guide. I kind of quit since the alliance I joined… kind of died, and I got blamed for being a “spy” recruiting for our main rivals… Just because I tried to glue us back together, organized a Discord server for all the allies + alliance itself…. Which means you can pretty much roll any commanders with her as long as they can benefit from her active and passive skills. However, rather than scoring them with just their skills, their total scores are ranked relative to one another. Another Rise of Kingdoms commander guide. You will want the primary in your support combo to have either a support talent path or a skill path. This is the birthplace of much misinformation.This is not to say there aren’t smart people with great advice out there. So I underestimate her a little. Simply by virtue of where Joan’s value lies.She will work well as a secondary to most legendary and epic commanders. referring to youtube videos in this case heh) – so I did obtain alot of information regarding pairings and actual stats etc (like the one that exists on this site about actual stats~something etc etc), Everything RoK January 30, 2019, 9:45 am. Keep at level 18-20 (if you want to use her for combat too, you might want to stay there until her first skill is also maxed). By doing so, you can piggyback off his gathering tree, while still getting the full benefit of Joan’s gathering skill. Ultimately, this combo helps deliver serious damage. Passive Skill Troops’ normal attacks have a 10% chance to heal a portion of slightly wounded units (Healing Factor x). So sprinkle my words with that same scepticism (but maybe I get some extra points for reliability if you’re feeling generous).I hope you have gotten some value out of this guide. 3rd – Holy RefugePassive Skill Troops’ normal attacks have a 10% chance to heal a portion of slightly wounded units (Healing Factor x). And finally, her infantry health and cavalry defence buffs give her more staying power. There’s a reason Joan is the best support.The only downside to Joan as a support is her popularity. One of the best commander to pair Joan of Arc with is Julius Caesar. However, rather than scoring them with just their skills, their total scores are ranked relative to one another. Otherwise you are wasting her potential as a gatherer. In saying that, I hold by the analysis, the only difference is that she performs better as a semi-support than I originally anticipated.Poor old Joan has had a rough time of it lately. I spent a lot of time combing through each commander while creating my commander tier list calculator. The commanders who run well as support (in no particular order) are: Richard, Hannibal, El Cid, Cao Cao, Belisarius, Hermann, Eulji, Pelagius, Boudica and Cleopatra.Ideally, you want Joan for her support tree as the primary commander.Semi-SupportA semi support is a cross between a fighting pair and a supporting pair. She has a nice little heal which keeps her on the battlefield for longer. Decrease losses: 5% / 7% / 9% / 12% / 15% 2. Nor does it fit with Joan’s skill set. Joan’s second nerf came with the talent tree 2.0 update. ... Joan of Arc. But yeah; what I'd like help with is figuring out what commanders to pair with my secondary "offensive" army, aswell as best secondary to my Sun Tzu (Alternating between Tomoe/Joan/Boudica when I use him atm but I've never actually had to use him defensively yet anyways) He is incredible at the Expedition though on the missions that have alot of armies (3+) that you can pull/attack at a time, at LEAST. When it comes to commander comparisons, approach any advice with a healthy dose of scepticism. In which case you might’ve been better off bringing a different support.Semi-Support I pretty much put any non-support pairing of Joan in this category. , Robin J, |nihil| --- /Arotikah January 20, 2019, 8:12 am. Joan's life was one that took many twists and turns. Joan shines in the support role. However, rather than scoring them with just their skills, their total scores are ranked relative to one another. I spent a lot of time combing through each commander while creating my commander tier list calculator. By doing so, you can piggyback off his gathering tree, while still getting the full benefit of Joan’s gathering skill. You just have to acknowledge it for what it is. Everyone should max her skills eventually. All Rights Reserved. CommentsJoan has one of the strongest expertise. There’s a reason Joan is the best support.The only downside to Joan as a support is her popularity. (Point being the commander-pairing help isn’t that needed anymore… but I actually did alot of reading up that day (&hearing? With the right talent tree build, Joan Of Arc will give an insane amount of support buffs for your and alliance troops. You will want the primary in your support combo to have either a support talent path or a skill path. There are two main reasons for this:The insane cost of maxing commanders.The underlying combat formulas involve so many variables, and many skill descriptions are unclear as to how they fit into it.In other games where you can experience more commanders firsthand, there can be some real value in anecdotal experiences. Beloved wife for 46 years of the late James A. Dorenkott. Effect can only trigger once every 5 seconds. This is where her main value lies. If you don’t have Julius Caesar in your roster, Scipio Africanus is a solid alternative choice. Once considered on par with some of the legendary commanders, she has fallen from grace to just another balanced epic.She has taken two main hits:The first is the nerf of her fourth skill. So until I do, Legend Rhony has been kind enough to give me permission to use his diagrams.Legend Rhony’s Gathering BuildLegend Rhony’s Support BuildSContrary to this build, I think there would be more value in completing the support tree before branching off into the integration tree. She has the best rage regeneration skill in the game, and paired with a support tree, she pops off actives like it’s nobody’s business. This is where her main value lies. Conclusion of Best Commander Talent Builds & Trees. This game is particularly hard to gauge commanders. Sad face.While she is no longer a strong option for a main combat pairing, her active skill’s buff is as important as ever. They are only intended as a rough guideline. Cause I promise; that post was ALOT easier to look at cause of my ‘sections'(/linebreaks) – had no idea they’d just compress it so to speak. Leaving Joan’s talent tree free for whichever path you choose.SupportJoan shines in the support role. Here, they are placed on a 0 to 10 scale.In this scale, 0 is 0, and 10 is the highest ranking commander’s contribution score in a given tier list. It used to provide a 25% damage reduction, but is now only a 25% normal attack damage bonus. But now, the only time Joan can legitimately be run as a primary is in a support setup (and a gatherer of course). Cách ghép cặp và sử dụng các tướng. You might turn up to a battlefield swarming with Joans. In this Baibars Talent Tree Build Guide, this will be recommending two builds for Baibars: Nuking build and City Conquering build. Robin 'nihil' Jiglund January 30, 2019, 2:39 am. Not as your main damage or tanking pairing. While it is a decent skill by its own right, it is not as strong as damage reduction. But instead of reducing enemy player’s rage, he can keep them silence which is definitely a game changer for them and you as well. It also affects counterattacks. If you are using Joan, unlocking her expertise is a high priority.If some of the skill terms are unclear, I have a list of the main combat variables.Recommended RolesGatherer (P/S)Support (AOE Buffer/Healer) (P/S)Mixed TroopsSemi-Support (Buffer/Healer) (S)Pure ArchersSemi-Support (Buffer/Healer) (S)Pure InfantrySemi-Support (Buffer/Healer) (S)Pure CavalrySemi-Support (Buffer/Healer) (S)Positions KeyP = Strong talent tree for the primary position.P = Workable talent tree for the primary position.p = Only has one strong talent tree path, so only a suitable primary for early game.S = Good in the secondary position (hint, they all are)Leveling and Skill Up PrioritiesGatherer2 stars before any skill ups until the 2nd skill is maxed. This is not to say there aren’t smart people with great advice out there. When you bring both commanders together, they all gain multiplicative bonuses to all troops under their leadership. Your much stronger than average troops will be able to contribute more than if you ran them under a support tree.On the BattlefieldBy now you should have an appreciation for how helpful Joan is to bring along to a battle. Seeing as it is an AOE buff, you can get most of Joan’s value just by having her near. JoAn M. Baldwin Indianapolis - 94, passed away on January 5, 2021. I know you did further down, so perhaps make a hotlink to that section from one of the categories/things I have already mentioned aswell as shown you in my incredibly awesome (self-made!!) In the next 2 seconds, Joan of Arc grants her own troops and nearby friendly forces a powerful buff that increases infantry units’ health, increases cavalry units’ defenses, increases archer units’ attack, and grants additional rage per second. I mean, what language is used here if so? To do this, from scores 0 to 9 are linear, and then the outliers are compressed into 9 to 10 on their own linear scale.Then there was also the question of how to compare legendaries to the other commanders as they are much harder to max. If only to progress further in the expedition (where she is super important). Joan does both of these beautifully. But it is not all linear.To keep the scores comparable, I’ve had to prevent the highest scoring commanders in some tier lists from distorting it. There are two main reasons for this:The insane cost of maxing commanders.The underlying combat formulas involve so many variables, and many skill descriptions are unclear as to how they fit into it.In other games where you can experience more commanders firsthand, there can be some real value in anecdotal experiences. Scipio + Joan is no longer a combo worth pursuing.GathererJoan is one of the best gatherers. If she is being run as a secondary, the easiest way to spot a Joan is to look for the animation of her active skill. Passive Skill Increase troops’ gathering speed by x% and increase troops’ load by x%. She has a nice little heal which keeps her on the battlefield for longer. If some of the skill terms are unclear, I have a list of the main combat variables. It has either compromised its fighting ability to bring a debuff/disable/AOE buff into the fight, or it is sacrificing its support potential to bring a bit more damage to the table. In saying that, I hold by the analysis, the only difference is that she performs better as a semi-support than I originally anticipated.Poor old Joan has had a rough time of it lately. You might turn up to a battlefield swarming with Joans. So Cesasar (40), Frederick (either 20 and waiting there or 28) Sun Tzu (38), Tomoe Gozen (30++) Lohar and Minamoto are just around lvl 20ish (spread between 18-28) Joan 28-32(+?)~~. Infantry Health Bonus: 10% / 15% / 20% / 25% / 30%Cavalry Defense Bonus: 10% / 15% / 20% / 25% / 30%Archer Attack Bonus: 10% / 15% / 20% / 25% / 30%Rage Restored: 15 / 20 / 25 / 30 / 40. Positions KeyP = Strong talent tree for the primary position.P = Workable talent tree for the primary position.p = Only has one strong talent tree path, so only a suitable primary for early game.S = Good in the secondary position (hint, they all are)Leveling and Skill Up PrioritiesGatherer2 stars before any skill ups until the 2nd skill is maxed. I left her last because she’s a bit more difficult to Talent up, but the advantage is that starting with her second skill, she gets a massive boost to both Gathering speed (more than those above) and also load capacity. Here, she took a real hit to her versatility. They are only intended as a rough guideline. Sad face.While she is no longer a strong option for a main combat pairing, her active skill’s buff is as important as ever. Rodney Wright October 19, 1929 - December 23, 2020 Longtime Kelso resident, Rod Wright, born in Salkum, Wash., passed away at the Hospice Care Center due to cancer at the age of 91. Joan was a member of Goshen High School Class of 1959. You will want the primary in your support combo to have either a support talent path or a skill path. Everyone should max her skills eventually. This decision should be based on what you have and what your team lacks. To stop them from unjustly overshadowing epics more than they should, the legendary commanders are an average of: Score given = (2 x maxed legendary score + 1 x 5/1/1/1 legendary score) / 3. They are only intended as a rough guideline. How the scores were calculatedThese scores are based on the total power scores in the commander tier list calculator (which has its own limitations). Testing is done against barbarians or other players not at identical research levels etc. Previously it didn’t matter which commander was in the primary position as far as talents were concerned. Currently you can purchases up to three of these every day. Not sure I would personally recommend it myself though. But if she takes flight, you’ll need to decide whether it’s worth chasing while being attacked, or if you should just return to your main opponent.PairingsSupportCan be paired legitimately with any other support. Hosting many gatherings. Then level her to four stars before continuing to max her skills. An easy way to get around this is pairing her with another gatherer such as Centurion. This is done through either the commander pairing or the talent tree chosen. She also participated in many other activities and clubs and made very special lifelong friends. It doesn’t take too much of a jump in reasoning to recognise the importance of removing your enemy’s Joan from the battle ASAP. This is the birthplace of much misinformation.This is not to say there aren’t smart people with great advice out there. When assignin g a commander with garrison talent points make sure they wont be needed as a primary commander for open field battles but using the commander as a secondary commander works fine as only the primary commander talent trees are taken into account. Just that much of what you will hear will be nothing more than speculation.How I would rank the reliability of comparisons (approach with your newfound scepticism):Testing done under properly controlled conditionsTheorycrafting with some serious maths.Testing is done against barbarians or other players not at identical research levels etc.Anecdotal experience.Hearsay.Guesswork.I’ve tried to base a lot of what I do off number 2 in that list. 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